Every time I hear the phrase “under oath” I mentally replace it with “pinky promise” because it all has tbe exact same amount of weight. There’s no reason to assume someone is being truthful just because they promised you they aren’t lying.
Then there is the technicality of “if they believe it is the truth then they aren’t lying” so as long as other have convinced them enough for them to believe it, then they haven’t broken their oath.
This is just meaningless elementary school behavior from adults and anyone that can’t see that or thinks oaths and such symbolic social constructs are meaningful are not worth taking seriously.
Unlike pinky promising, there are serious criminal penalties for lying under oath. It’s perjury and counts as a felony and comes with up to 7 years in prison. Not to mention what it would do to your career, especially a career in the military/intelligence.
I agree. Grusch could have been misled and bought into lies/misinformation. But at the very least I think HE believes it or wouldn’t be putting his career in jeopardy by reporting to Inspector Generals and testifying to Congress.
The above poster makes it sound like he is likely to be lying about it, which I think is a weak character attack and not arguing in good faith.
Don’t forget, along with the oral and written testimony, Grusch supposedly provided enough evidence to the ICIG to warrant an “urgent and credible” threat.
For those serious criminal penalties to happen, you’d have to prove that the testimony was a deliberate lie. So, once again, we’re back to proof. Besides, the guy with the most interesting testimony only offered up hearsay - things he was told by others. He didn’t claim to personally have seen any wreckage, alien bodies, etc.
Even reading about it felt like a waste of time. My sympathies to anyone who actually watched it live.
I welcome physical proof as well. But this isn’t Bigfoot or Loch Ness or anything like that. There’s a mountain of testimony spanning decades. Too much smoke for there to be no fire.
There is also decades of proof of crazies getting into higher official positions. I don’t get why it’s harder to believe that these testimonies come from further crazies than believing that there is a huge, international, decade long cover up of alien contact.
shrugs. Idk what else to tell you. I’ve been following this stuff for a long long long time and this is ‘the moment’. People can continue to bury their head in the sand and stick their fingers in their ears or whatever they want to do.
This is real and it’s happening now and we get to watch it in real time.
I welcome physical proof as well. But this isn’t Bigfoot or Loch Ness or anything like that. There’s a mountain of testimony spanning decades. Too much smoke for there to be no fire.
That’s not how it works. Evidence isn’t a “nice to have” on top of everything else, it’s the bare minimum. Everything else is hearsay.
When something is real it doesn’t beg for your trust, it begs for your eyes.
Show me a body or show me a craft. And do it in a way that is undeniable. This should not be that hard if the evidence actually were there. It’s a pretty simple conundrum. The obfuscation necessary to present these things as real would not be present if they were actually real.
As far as I am concerned the whole UFO phenomenon is a psy-op to keep bottom-scraping “researchers” busy, to promote the idea that the US in possision of superior alien technology (master race BS similar to late Nazi-era propaganda), and an attempt at getting other nations to waste money attempting to either “catch up” or attempt to spy on these assets. It also is a way for the military-industrial complex to go to Congree and beg for more money to combat these non-existant aliens and their phantom technology.
Grusch has sworn under oath that there are departments in the government that have actual alien crafts and bodies.
Every time I hear the phrase “under oath” I mentally replace it with “pinky promise” because it all has tbe exact same amount of weight. There’s no reason to assume someone is being truthful just because they promised you they aren’t lying.
Then there is the technicality of “if they believe it is the truth then they aren’t lying” so as long as other have convinced them enough for them to believe it, then they haven’t broken their oath.
This is just meaningless elementary school behavior from adults and anyone that can’t see that or thinks oaths and such symbolic social constructs are meaningful are not worth taking seriously.
Unlike pinky promising, there are serious criminal penalties for lying under oath. It’s perjury and counts as a felony and comes with up to 7 years in prison. Not to mention what it would do to your career, especially a career in the military/intelligence.
I agree. Grusch could have been misled and bought into lies/misinformation. But at the very least I think HE believes it or wouldn’t be putting his career in jeopardy by reporting to Inspector Generals and testifying to Congress.
The above poster makes it sound like he is likely to be lying about it, which I think is a weak character attack and not arguing in good faith.
Don’t forget, along with the oral and written testimony, Grusch supposedly provided enough evidence to the ICIG to warrant an “urgent and credible” threat.
For those serious criminal penalties to happen, you’d have to prove that the testimony was a deliberate lie. So, once again, we’re back to proof. Besides, the guy with the most interesting testimony only offered up hearsay - things he was told by others. He didn’t claim to personally have seen any wreckage, alien bodies, etc.
Even reading about it felt like a waste of time. My sympathies to anyone who actually watched it live.
To me the most interesting one was the testimony, video and all the rest from the pilot of the tic tac incident.
still waiting for the actual evidence
I welcome physical proof as well. But this isn’t Bigfoot or Loch Ness or anything like that. There’s a mountain of testimony spanning decades. Too much smoke for there to be no fire.
There is also decades of proof of crazies getting into higher official positions. I don’t get why it’s harder to believe that these testimonies come from further crazies than believing that there is a huge, international, decade long cover up of alien contact.
shrugs. Idk what else to tell you. I’ve been following this stuff for a long long long time and this is ‘the moment’. People can continue to bury their head in the sand and stick their fingers in their ears or whatever they want to do.
This is real and it’s happening now and we get to watch it in real time.
Is there a later moment where I can verify this without trusting a handful of people?
That’s not how it works. Evidence isn’t a “nice to have” on top of everything else, it’s the bare minimum. Everything else is hearsay.
When something is real it doesn’t beg for your trust, it begs for your eyes.
Show me a body or show me a craft. And do it in a way that is undeniable. This should not be that hard if the evidence actually were there. It’s a pretty simple conundrum. The obfuscation necessary to present these things as real would not be present if they were actually real.
As far as I am concerned the whole UFO phenomenon is a psy-op to keep bottom-scraping “researchers” busy, to promote the idea that the US in possision of superior alien technology (master race BS similar to late Nazi-era propaganda), and an attempt at getting other nations to waste money attempting to either “catch up” or attempt to spy on these assets. It also is a way for the military-industrial complex to go to Congree and beg for more money to combat these non-existant aliens and their phantom technology.
They stated there’s no way for us to contrast ‘em. This was the guy on the right, the pilot. He said they’re too fast.