• RaoulDook@lemmy.world
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      1 year ago

      Most Americans definitely do not want socialism. People simply want things to be affordable, and be able to live with the social services we need readily available, and to have the freedom to do what they want. That’s not socialism, that’s a well functioning democracy with a strong economy.

      • 🏳️‍⚧️ 新星 [she/they]@lemmygrad.ml
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        1 year ago

        Communist and socialist terms have been conflated for a long time.

        See https://existentialcomics.com/comic/123 for an illustration.

        Communists believe in abolition of capitalism through communist revolution and eventually want to reach a Communist society. Given that such vision has not actually happened yet, Communists often support Actually Existing Socialism (AES).

        Socialism is some varying degree in between that and capitalism. On the one hand, there are democratic socialists like Bernie. On the other, there’s also AES countries (e.g. USSR, China).

        (P.S. If any other communists see any problems, feel free to correct my mistakes.)

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          I’m gonna leave out utopian communism because it’s not what we’re talking about and isn’t really relevant.

          Communists are working toward a classless, stateless society. Viewing the world through the lens of class struggle, they see the state as a tool of class repression and seek to use it to get to that stateless classless society. Its important here to recognize that communists want to use the tools of capitalism to develop the productive forces on the way.

          Socialism is worker control of the means of production.

          Social democracy is a set of policies enacted by bourgeois societies to keep people from revolting.

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        Communism entails the collective ownership and administration of all means of production and the absence of social classes, while socialism advocates for worker control over means of production within a democratic society, allowing for some individual ownership and social stratification.

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          In addition, there are different levels of socialism. “Some” individual ownership turns people off. “The State owns the house I worked so hard to pay off?” You can have full private ownership of your things AND have single-payer health care, top-tier public education, reining in predatory banks, etc. We want to be Norway, not Venezuela.

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            1 year ago

            Your government is directly responsible for Venezuela’s instability. Your government’s entire foreign policy is destabilizing different parts of the world to float the Dollar as the main currency and you the citizens benefit the most from it, this is why I cringe inwardly when Americans complain of Capitalism’s adverse effects, if you enjoyed it while it was good, you must enjoy it while it gets bad.

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              As a venezuelan, no. What happened and still happens here was the sole responsibility of the socialist party’s government and the ultimate reason why I don’t trust leftists as they don’t own up their failures and just disregard them as “not true socialism”

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                The government of Venezuela isn’t blameless but to think that American sanctions didn’t affect the Venezuelan economy are the words of a true partisan. Your kind set up piano wire and beheaded civilians on motor bikes in Venezuela and I find that despicable.

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                  1 year ago

                  My kind? Thanks for the uncalled xenophobic racism.

                  Venezuela has been going to shit since the 2000 with Chavez.

                  Sanctions were stablished from 2015 and only to 7 individuals from the venezuelan government.

                  Keep your lies up. Maybe you will start believing them.

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                    1 year ago

                    Lol racism card when I don’t even know your ethnicity? I was talking about you being a rich asshole.