Don’t know. The thing with Mastodon is that you wouldn’t find people to follow and it lacked features people wanted.
Lemmy here is way more entertaining already. Of course a lot of people will just check it out and go back but I think enough will stick around. Like a small subreddit you enjoy and slowly grows.
Part of the problem is that when a new user starts exploring Lemmy, they see the list of “most popular instances” and are inclined to gravitate towards them, when it’s really not necessary to join them to interact with them… As a recent Reddit refugee, that was what I struggled with the most.
That’d be great. Or even show a list of communities, rather than instances, and let the user find some communities that interest them first, then gravitate towards an instance from there (though that might not solve the problem if the most popular communities are from the most popular instances.)
Could even promote smaller instances that are federated with the popular instances, instead of promoting the popular instances directly.
Making the understanding of lemmy’s internal infrastructure incumbent upon users seems a bit … clunky. I work in IT, I get why it works this way, but I don’t see how making it so apparent it serves any benefit to users.
If any user can participate in any community regardless of instance, does anything matter other than instance capacity? The sign up could just automatically select an instance on that basis (but also provide the user the option to select one manually).
I think the main thing about instance being important is the instance moderation and federation choices. Some people will of course want as hands off as possible, but some instances are certainly not that (one is very explicitly communist for instance IIRC). So ideally you’d pick an instance that fits your moderation goals, followed by one that you have some other affinity for - like the gaming idea. I joined sopuli because of it being Finnish and I have that heritage, even as an American. I also like not having everything hosted in the US so…
I could also easily see some people having multiple identities tied to instance interests. I suggested it would be nice if /r/sysadmin here at /c/sysadmin was not a community on lemmy.ml but actually its own instance, perhaps trying to pull in /r/networking, /r/sysadminjobs, /r/linuxadmin etc. Not only is that more likely to be work related, so you want a “work” identity, but it seems like you’d have the benefit of a group of communities filling the frontpage of the instance with stuff you’re likely interested in.
I see this a bit with mastadon with a journo.host vs an infosec.exchange vs my generic vivaldi.social account.
Honestly I joined lemmy.ml because it had the description that most closely matched my interests without feeling like I’m joining one single person’s home lab experiment. I think we would need a few more large general purpose (vanilla) instances.
On the other hand I wonder if it doesn’t make more sense to condense communities/topics into single, topic-specialized servers. I can’t imagine, from a UI perspective subscribing to 100 different news communities and another 100 gaming communities and… I feel like the current UI just isn’t designed with this in mind.
Honestly, I just don’t get twitter and never joined. I also don’t super get mastadon. I see people talking about having great conversations, but it seems like the WORST interface for that (fedilab on android anyway). It’s a good “rss aggregator” with comments, but the 500 character limit is still tiny for most comments I’d ever want to make, and the threading / comments are quite limited. At least on lemmy, if there’s a post people are replying to - you can see the replies, you’re not linked randomly half way through a thread, and you can type a longer comment. I just think I’m way more reddit acclimated, and actually I “grew up” with Slashdot so…
I could never wrap my head around the discoverability and reach issues – I haven’t had any problems with either of those, and I’m running a solo server (though I’ve come to suspect that there was maybe a jargon and expectation barrier, and they just couldn’t overcome the different layout).
What I can understand is running away from the somewhat, uh, hostile welcome many of them got. Instead of bringing people in and helping them acclimate, a bunch of folks just got up in new peoples’ faces and gave them no room to make faux pas.
I don’t see that happening here. The crowd that’s showed up over the last week or so has been made up of core Reddit folks, and the atmosphere is very Reddit in nature.
It’s just the volume of content that is missing, and that already feels like it’s inching toward critical mass and can become self-sustaining.
People to go Reddit for the consolidated forums while also being able to browse a bunch of other entertainment and memes all in one shot. Or at least I do. The breadth of offerings of Reddit is a selling point.
reddit has so many users that basically all interests are covered. I can look up an discussion thread on relatively obscure anime/manga that came out 8 years ago. That’s hard to compete with and why I won’t be quitting reddit entirely.
Yup, I’ve ended up having better luck searching for a product with “site:reddit.com” as well. It’s also been the home for memes for quite some time. Even when I don’t feel like delving into discussions on things, it’s still the best / easiest place to scroll silly pictures and laugh for a bit when I’m lifting at the gym and between sets.
I won’t be quitting though I’ll be trying to dwindle my use a bit. I’m not much of a doom scroller but I will run through a list of subreddits on a regular basis.
July 1st is when all the 3rd party apps will start dying. There will probably be an influx of people who weren’t paying much attention or were hoping that nothing would really happen that suddenly start looking for an alternative when it affects them directly.
Its also possible that Reddit rows back from the API change (at least temporarily). I hope they do, so that we have a bit more time to get Lemmy ready.
On one hand, I think this is the best opportunity for lemmy to grow exponentially in terms of reddit immigrants. It would be great to take advantage of this since if many users from reddit have a good experience with lemmy it’s free word of mouth advertising over at reddit. Plus I’m not sure reddit will do something like this again in the foreseeable future after their IPO comes out.
On the other hand, I completely understand that there are technical challenges that need to be addressed, and a user that’s trying lemmy out for the first time would probably get turned off if it seems like lenny is unstable and/or there’s not much content to engage him/her.
Id love for lenny to evolve and grow. I’ve only been here ~48 hours but I’m already less stressed and the community so far has been good to me. I’ll still promote lenny even after this API issue until they ban me. Lol.
Definitely not. Before people were migrating from Twitter only just to go back
Don’t know. The thing with Mastodon is that you wouldn’t find people to follow and it lacked features people wanted.
Lemmy here is way more entertaining already. Of course a lot of people will just check it out and go back but I think enough will stick around. Like a small subreddit you enjoy and slowly grows.
Let’s hope so! I wish for a slow but steady growth.
I fear that we wont be so lucky. If a million people try to check out Lemmy at once, all the instances can go down.
Mine will be fine. I splashed out and got a VPS with one whole CPU core!
Part of the problem is that when a new user starts exploring Lemmy, they see the list of “most popular instances” and are inclined to gravitate towards them, when it’s really not necessary to join them to interact with them… As a recent Reddit refugee, that was what I struggled with the most.
Contributions welcome: https://github.com/LemmyNet/joinlemmy-site
Perhaps instances should be promoted according to current and predicted capacity.
That’d be great. Or even show a list of communities, rather than instances, and let the user find some communities that interest them first, then gravitate towards an instance from there (though that might not solve the problem if the most popular communities are from the most popular instances.)
Could even promote smaller instances that are federated with the popular instances, instead of promoting the popular instances directly.
Making the understanding of lemmy’s internal infrastructure incumbent upon users seems a bit … clunky. I work in IT, I get why it works this way, but I don’t see how making it so apparent it serves any benefit to users.
If any user can participate in any community regardless of instance, does anything matter other than instance capacity? The sign up could just automatically select an instance on that basis (but also provide the user the option to select one manually).
I think the main thing about instance being important is the instance moderation and federation choices. Some people will of course want as hands off as possible, but some instances are certainly not that (one is very explicitly communist for instance IIRC). So ideally you’d pick an instance that fits your moderation goals, followed by one that you have some other affinity for - like the gaming idea. I joined sopuli because of it being Finnish and I have that heritage, even as an American. I also like not having everything hosted in the US so…
I could also easily see some people having multiple identities tied to instance interests. I suggested it would be nice if /r/sysadmin here at /c/sysadmin was not a community on lemmy.ml but actually its own instance, perhaps trying to pull in /r/networking, /r/sysadminjobs, /r/linuxadmin etc. Not only is that more likely to be work related, so you want a “work” identity, but it seems like you’d have the benefit of a group of communities filling the frontpage of the instance with stuff you’re likely interested in.
I see this a bit with mastadon with a journo.host vs an infosec.exchange vs my generic vivaldi.social account.
Honestly I joined lemmy.ml because it had the description that most closely matched my interests without feeling like I’m joining one single person’s home lab experiment. I think we would need a few more large general purpose (vanilla) instances.
On the other hand I wonder if it doesn’t make more sense to condense communities/topics into single, topic-specialized servers. I can’t imagine, from a UI perspective subscribing to 100 different news communities and another 100 gaming communities and… I feel like the current UI just isn’t designed with this in mind.
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Honestly, I just don’t get twitter and never joined. I also don’t super get mastadon. I see people talking about having great conversations, but it seems like the WORST interface for that (fedilab on android anyway). It’s a good “rss aggregator” with comments, but the 500 character limit is still tiny for most comments I’d ever want to make, and the threading / comments are quite limited. At least on lemmy, if there’s a post people are replying to - you can see the replies, you’re not linked randomly half way through a thread, and you can type a longer comment. I just think I’m way more reddit acclimated, and actually I “grew up” with Slashdot so…
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I could never wrap my head around the discoverability and reach issues – I haven’t had any problems with either of those, and I’m running a solo server (though I’ve come to suspect that there was maybe a jargon and expectation barrier, and they just couldn’t overcome the different layout).
What I can understand is running away from the somewhat, uh, hostile welcome many of them got. Instead of bringing people in and helping them acclimate, a bunch of folks just got up in new peoples’ faces and gave them no room to make faux pas.
I don’t see that happening here. The crowd that’s showed up over the last week or so has been made up of core Reddit folks, and the atmosphere is very Reddit in nature.
It’s just the volume of content that is missing, and that already feels like it’s inching toward critical mass and can become self-sustaining.
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Hmm. Unfortunate.
I think that just means we need moar bodies.
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People go to twitter to see what famous people and influencers have to say.
People to go Reddit for the consolidated forums while also being able to browse a bunch of other entertainment and memes all in one shot. Or at least I do. The breadth of offerings of Reddit is a selling point.
reddit has so many users that basically all interests are covered. I can look up an discussion thread on relatively obscure anime/manga that came out 8 years ago. That’s hard to compete with and why I won’t be quitting reddit entirely.
Yup, I’ve ended up having better luck searching for a product with “site:reddit.com” as well. It’s also been the home for memes for quite some time. Even when I don’t feel like delving into discussions on things, it’s still the best / easiest place to scroll silly pictures and laugh for a bit when I’m lifting at the gym and between sets.
I won’t be quitting though I’ll be trying to dwindle my use a bit. I’m not much of a doom scroller but I will run through a list of subreddits on a regular basis.
July 1st is when all the 3rd party apps will start dying. There will probably be an influx of people who weren’t paying much attention or were hoping that nothing would really happen that suddenly start looking for an alternative when it affects them directly.
Its also possible that Reddit rows back from the API change (at least temporarily). I hope they do, so that we have a bit more time to get Lemmy ready.
On one hand, I think this is the best opportunity for lemmy to grow exponentially in terms of reddit immigrants. It would be great to take advantage of this since if many users from reddit have a good experience with lemmy it’s free word of mouth advertising over at reddit. Plus I’m not sure reddit will do something like this again in the foreseeable future after their IPO comes out.
On the other hand, I completely understand that there are technical challenges that need to be addressed, and a user that’s trying lemmy out for the first time would probably get turned off if it seems like lenny is unstable and/or there’s not much content to engage him/her.
Id love for lenny to evolve and grow. I’ve only been here ~48 hours but I’m already less stressed and the community so far has been good to me. I’ll still promote lenny even after this API issue until they ban me. Lol.