It went out of popularity for a reason. I’d love a new protocol with XMPP’s mistakes fixed.
BTW, OMEMO highlights one of those - it’s not as good as Signal by which it is inspired. Basically no metadata protection, which means that it’s as good as OTR with multiple devices.
Some kind of Signal with federation (and good clients, not like signal-desktop) would be interesting. Maybe even p2p with some kind of relays (like in NOSTR) for history, offline messages, some kind of Telegram channels and such.
You’re technically correct but that was two decades ago. Novadays virtually every featured server passes the Conversations compliance test which continuously checks if all modern features are enabled.
It’s not outdated, it’s just differently intended. OTR you can use over any IM allowing custom clients. OMEMO requires support in the protocol.
OTR is better than inline PGP for that purpose, because of temporary keys.
So if you have a legislation mandating that a certain IM network or social platform supports open API for custom clients, you can use OTR over it, you can use inline PGP over it, but you can’t use OMEMO over it.
Use Signal or XMPP+OMEMO or anything else.
Mandate social media to expose an open API and use the chat function with an OTR plugin.
The solutions are all old.
It’s just interesting how it all went from promotion of corporate surveillance to comms protection when supposed corporate shills won the election.
It would be great if XMPP were to rise again.
It went out of popularity for a reason. I’d love a new protocol with XMPP’s mistakes fixed.
BTW, OMEMO highlights one of those - it’s not as good as Signal by which it is inspired. Basically no metadata protection, which means that it’s as good as OTR with multiple devices.
Some kind of Signal with federation (and good clients, not like signal-desktop) would be interesting. Maybe even p2p with some kind of relays (like in NOSTR) for history, offline messages, some kind of Telegram channels and such.
Look into Session. I didn’t like it but it checks your boxes
Lol no. I like being able to send messages to someone who isn’t online at the same time
Are you suggesting xmpp can’t do that? XD
Yes. Asynchronous communication is dependent on both users servers software and config. And that’s exactly why XMPP is disused.
I’m sure there’s an option you can disable in server software to disable message storage. Why stop at this?
XMPP can’t federate because there’s an option for disabling that too! 😧
Its the other way around. Asynchronous communication was a feature added later in some software. By default it didn’t have it
I’m saying it’d a deal breaker if all users dont have asynchronous communication.
You’re technically correct but that was two decades ago. Novadays virtually every featured server passes the Conversations compliance test which continuously checks if all modern features are enabled.
Why do you suggest OTR? It’s outdated, modern XMPP clients moved to OMEMO for a reason.
It’s not outdated, it’s just differently intended. OTR you can use over any IM allowing custom clients. OMEMO requires support in the protocol.
OTR is better than inline PGP for that purpose, because of temporary keys.
So if you have a legislation mandating that a certain IM network or social platform supports open API for custom clients, you can use OTR over it, you can use inline PGP over it, but you can’t use OMEMO over it.
Is Matrix Protocol good?
I don’t know.