• Jhex@lemmy.world
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    why are people frothing over Bluesky? this is just Twitter but owned by a different oligarch

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      Yeah, why would I use BlueSky when I could just use my favorite platform named Threads?

      Tap for spoiler

      Just kidding

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      Because it isn’t just Twitter. Nobody can buy the network, the same way nobody can buy email.

      • Anyone can host a server.
      • Anyone can make an app.
      • Anyone can make an algorithm.
      • Anyone can make a moderation service. Users can freely pick a server, app, algorithm, and moderation service.
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        Yeah, no, not anybody can host a server. Sure, you can host a PDS, but the AppView still wasn’t open source last time I looked, and hosting a relay requires tens of terabytes of storage, not to mention the bandwidth to keep up.

        Meanwhile, people host actual activitypub instances on repurposed routers and their car entertainment system…

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          Ngl thanks for the detail, I went and had another look so correct me if I’m wrong.

          So if we wanted to undermine Bluesky’s currently - hopefully temporary - centralised state, we would need multiple community modified PDSs, a widely rehosted open source AppView webapp & iOS/Android clients, a very expensive relay that is community controlled via non profit or something, and then we would be federated with each other and the bluesky infrastructure too?

          Sounds like a lot of work just to recreate the user-end functionality of ActivityPub :/ Very confused why they felt the need to invent ATProtocol? I have heard some vague praise of it over AP but I think I’m not technical enough to really properly make that comparison. It’s nice that ATProtocol gives you ownership of your data though.

          Perhaps Mastodon/ActivityPub-apps need to improve their onboarding process and user experience. Maybe include the custom feeds feature for Bluesky too. Something has to have gone wrong for Mastodon to have failed where Bluesky succeeded.

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        4 days ago

        Same here… even when Twitter was not even in the sights of fElon I found it to be super toxic. I signed up because “it was the best way to get the news” and left in about 4 days

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    To anyone bemoaning BlueSky’s lack of federation, check out Free Our Feeds.

    It’s a campaign to create a public interest foundation independent from the Bluesky team (although the Bluesky team has said they support them) that will build independent infrastructure, like a secondary “relay” as an alternative to Bluesky’s that can still communicate across the same protocol (The “AT Protocol”) while also doing developer grants for the development of further social applications built on open protocols like the AT Protocol or ActivityPub.

    They have the support of an existing 501c(3), and their open letter has been signed by people you might find interesting, such as Jimmy Wales (founder of Wikipedia).

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      This is such a half-assed dog and pony show.

      They have millions in investment, why do they need someone else to fund this? Why don’t the bluesky team directly and materially support them?

      This is a core aspect of Bluesky’s marketing and they asking other volunteers to help make them rich.

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        Until there’s overt advertising its unlikely to enshittify the normal way. That doesn’t mean it won’t, just that a different capital process is at work. Wikipedia has outlived most of “web2.0” because its funded by donations and run by volunteers.

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          Until there’s overt advertising its unlikely to enshittify the normal way.

          Trust me we will be deep into that territory so fast it is going to make your head spin.

          Wikipedia has outlived most of “web2.0” because its funded by donations and run by volunteers.

          Private equity and VC funding can’t directly buy Wikipedia and dissect it because it is an at least somewhat functional non-profit organization. That is the only reason.

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      I feel like the reason the reason why it’s taking off so much is because it’s not federated.

      It’s like people hear the term federation and they get afraid. I know it’s not that simple but still.

      In other words, people don’t know what they actually need.

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        People are not afraid of the term “Federation.“ They literally have no clue what it is.

        It’s the instance concept I find consistently to be an issue. It’s an extra layer/barrier to entry. You don’t just create an account. You have to understand what an instance is and then determine which one you’re joining and what that means for your moment to moment usage of the platform.

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          Yeah I was confused on if it was connected, if I was explaining it to myself id say that the fediverse has interconnected forums that all serve the same content and can be accessed by making accounts on different websites or apps.

          Lemmy, mbin, piefed, etc. are all ways to access the interconnected forum/threads side of the fediverse.

          Mastodon, sharkey, plaroma, etc. are all ways to access the interconnected microblogging slide of the fediverse.

          They all have different features, like mbin has account reputation, piefed has topics which let you sub to multiple related communities at once, etc., but the content is shared between those that serve the same type of content.

          Since they’re all built ontop of the same protocol ppl can always come in and build on top of it or make hybrids while still letting everyone access the same content. Like mbin having both microblogging (tweets) and threads, letting you post and view both from the same account/website.

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            And it legit takes 5 minutes to sign up for 5 instances and see the differences, mine showed the same content for the most part, only lemmy.world was missing the piracy community, other than that it was all the same and any nervousness I had about it went away after seeing the feeds being the same.

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              Yeah but people don’t want to set up 5 accounts to understand alt-reddit. They want to download a clean app that takes seconds to set up and just go. Friction is friction.

              Not everyone likes to tinker and poke and prod