“Illegal experiments on babies” is a user-provided note, and is not really an accurate label. For one thing, no experiments were done on babies.
Another thing – unlike “murder,” there is a gradient of what constitutes an “illegal experiment.” The phrase “illegal experiments on babies” sounds terrible, but if you imagine a volume dial on this crime, one could lower it until one finds the minimum violation possible which could technically be described as an “illegal experiment” – for instance, flicking a baby with your index finger to check its reflexes. So it should not be of any surprise that there are such things as “illegal experiments” which are so mild as to warrant just 3 years in prison.
The report confirmed that He had recruited eight couples to participate in his experiment, resulting in two pregnancies, one of which gave birth to the gene- edited twin girls in November 2018. The babies are now under medical supervision. The report further said He had made forged ethical review papers in order to enlist volunteers for the procedure, and had raised his Own funds deliberately evading oversight, and organized a team that included some overseas members to carry out the illegal project.
I guess it’s right that there was no experiment in babies, the babies were the experiments themselves.
It would have taken much less time to read about the topic than to make that nonsense response.
In 2020, the National People’s Congress of China passed Civil Code and an amendment to Criminal Law that prohibit human gene editing and cloning with no exceptions
So, in case you actually meant that weird ignorant remark you made about Uyghurs, the answer is no and no.
Thanks for the information – good to know. I assume that like American law, he couldn’t be punished for something that wasn’t illegal when he did it?
Regarding the Uyghur comment the other guy made, definitely a bit tasteless but I don’t think it’s that ignorant given the genocide China perpetrated against them.
What he did was illegal. Even without specific laws about genetic modification or cloning, he did perform experiments with babies without the necessity approvals from ethics and safety, without informed consent from the parents and likely misusing funds allocated to other research.
Yeah I do assume racists are racist when they pull random claims that non-white countries are ontologicaly evil with no proof, it shows the racists bias.
Or Russia! Remember that saying anything bad about Russia is also racist.
Or maybe it’s not the color of the skin what the issue… But that would mean independent thinking, which is frowned upon by tankies.
I’m assuming you’re a tankie because you say things a tankie would say. It’s generally a very weak way to make assumptions, but given it’s exactly what you’re doing, seems only fair.
But that would mean independent thinking, which is frowned upon by tankies.
Not like you my independent, free thinker who regurgitates all narratives slurped out of the arsehole of the upper classes media conglomerates, your thoughts and race realism theories on the inherent evilness of countries that your free thinking mind has decided to dehumanize and other despite not actually knowing the reality of it outside of what you read; you are the true thinker!
Tell me more about how you’ve come to the conclusion that the CPC doesnt care about its own internal rule of law or defacto punishments after the fact despite the article suggesting nothing of the sort; im sure it will enlighten me in a way me or my tankie comrades havent considered. (Lets ignore the fact the CPC imprisoned the person who did this and banned his colleagues from ever practicing medicine, as the facts of this dont matter to you, only the headline that you can infer to confirm your advanced kkklan race realism theory)
We also don’t know if it was just that gene that was altered, or if there are other effects. Modern gene editing isn’t so precise that we can edit just the gene we want. A lot of genes with similar sequences as the target can also be affected.
It’s basically like firing a shotgun at the house they live in. You might hit the one you want, but you may also hit other unrelated genes in the process.
Yup. It’s actually crazy how anticommunist propaganda creates so many people who are so confidently wrong about things that are so easy to investigate.
A lot of contexts? Like the development depending on formula vs mother’s milk?
Experimenting doesn’t need to mean vivisection or injecting unregulated drugs, but if you need to do the experiments illegally, I’m not sure it was something “safe”
Yes, .ml users do indeed tend to be more concerned with fact-checking and saying things that are actually true as compared to flat.world, thank you for pointing that out.
Supposed to mean “machine-learning” Mali, but the developers of Lemmy (whose instance it is) are using it to mean “Marxism-Leninism”, which is a misnomer invented by Stalin. While ml has some non-tankie leftists, that instance is infamous because of them.
Great question! The truth is that the CCP and Russian Federation are basically spiritual successors of Marx himself. Here’s a list of bullet points explaining…
Marxism leninism, it’s a political ideology, subset of communism. Basically the communists that love USSR, China, Cuba, etc. They love running propaganda about how these authoritarian governments did nothing wrong and how all criticism of them is just negative propaganda by the West.
Is nobody concerned that illegal experiments on babies only gets you 3 years?
Maybe they were Uyghurs so it was classified as “property damage” in Chinese law.
“Illegal experiments on babies” is a user-provided note, and is not really an accurate label. For one thing, no experiments were done on babies.
Another thing – unlike “murder,” there is a gradient of what constitutes an “illegal experiment.” The phrase “illegal experiments on babies” sounds terrible, but if you imagine a volume dial on this crime, one could lower it until one finds the minimum violation possible which could technically be described as an “illegal experiment” – for instance, flicking a baby with your index finger to check its reflexes. So it should not be of any surprise that there are such things as “illegal experiments” which are so mild as to warrant just 3 years in prison.
I guess it’s right that there was no experiment in babies, the babies were the experiments themselves.
It would have taken much less time to read about the topic than to make that nonsense response.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/He_Jiankui_affair
Laws were changed after this incident:
So, in case you actually meant that weird ignorant remark you made about Uyghurs, the answer is no and no.
Oh shit someone tell the
fascist scumliberal toads that its actually blue on blue, this guy was working for a honky kong universty!!!Lemmitors downvoting you because actually learning about the case conflicts with their “cHiNa BaD” circlejerk.
It was a joke… You don’t get to jail for experimenting with slaves in China.
Thanks for the information – good to know. I assume that like American law, he couldn’t be punished for something that wasn’t illegal when he did it?
Regarding the Uyghur comment the other guy made, definitely a bit tasteless but I don’t think it’s that ignorant given the genocide China perpetrated against them.
What he did was illegal. Even without specific laws about genetic modification or cloning, he did perform experiments with babies without the necessity approvals from ethics and safety, without informed consent from the parents and likely misusing funds allocated to other research.
3 years is still to short.
I don’t think CCP cares about the principle of no ex post facto punishments.
Source: My racism
“If everything else fails, pull the racism card”
Source: the ml handbook
Yeah I do assume racists are racist when they pull random claims that non-white countries are ontologicaly evil with no proof, it shows the racists bias.
Or Russia! Remember that saying anything bad about Russia is also racist.
Or maybe it’s not the color of the skin what the issue… But that would mean independent thinking, which is frowned upon by tankies. I’m assuming you’re a tankie because you say things a tankie would say. It’s generally a very weak way to make assumptions, but given it’s exactly what you’re doing, seems only fair.
Not like you my independent, free thinker who regurgitates all narratives slurped out of the arsehole of the upper classes media conglomerates, your thoughts and race realism theories on the inherent evilness of countries that your free thinking mind has decided to dehumanize and other despite not actually knowing the reality of it outside of what you read; you are the true thinker!
Tell me more about how you’ve come to the conclusion that the CPC doesnt care about its own internal rule of law or defacto punishments after the fact despite the article suggesting nothing of the sort; im sure it will enlighten me in a way me or my tankie comrades havent considered. (Lets ignore the fact the CPC imprisoned the person who did this and banned his colleagues from ever practicing medicine, as the facts of this dont matter to you, only the headline that you can infer to confirm your advanced kkklan race realism theory)
The devil is in the details…
You are likely thinking (as I am) that he implanted robotic arms on babies but he may have just rubbed sage oil on them for all we know
He used CRISPR to make babies immune to HIV.
No, he inserted a gene that is associated with resistance to HIV, but is also associated with increased risk of some cancers. He did this without informed consent, he did this without running it by an ethics board, he did this without knowing whether it would work or not.
Let’s stop pretending that he’s a good guy that just magically made HIV immune babies.
Edit: it also didn’t work. The babies have genes both with and without the mutation.
We also don’t know if it was just that gene that was altered, or if there are other effects. Modern gene editing isn’t so precise that we can edit just the gene we want. A lot of genes with similar sequences as the target can also be affected.
It’s basically like firing a shotgun at the house they live in. You might hit the one you want, but you may also hit other unrelated genes in the process.
Diabolical
Thanks for the info
definitely on the evil side considering he probably planed to infect them to test his theories
Nope, he had no plans to infect them. The babies had parents who were HIV-positive.
Wow you are jumping to a lot of stupid ass conclusions for someone who won’t google a name.
Fine, give him your baby to experiment then
You’re not ok
Did not have baby zombie apocalypse on my Bingo card, but there ya go
Be careful, you might get banned from lemmy dot ml for hatespeech against dictatorships.
It’s literal misinformation, so it probably should be removed, yes.
Hong kongs a dictatorship? You know, the place this doctor was working?
Well observed, its been an apartheid state since its inception as a colony to the UK.
Why did you self censor by saying “dot”?
I wrote that on my phone’s touch keyboard, and I didn’t want to use
\.to escape the dot character to avoid autohotlinking.I’ve blocked that instance, but if they need more material to ban me I have it.
Who cares about a tankie instance?
Everyone who opposes dictatorships is a Nazi or a liberal, who are also Nazis.
Nazis, by definition, do not oppose dictatorships. Not sure where you got that idea, but it certainly wasn’t a level-headed assessment of history.
The guy you’re responding to is a liberal doing a piss poor parody of a ML.
You can’t do a good parody if you get angry before the punchline, or don’t understand the thing you’re parodying in the first place.
I assume you guys get that a lot?
Yup. It’s actually crazy how anticommunist propaganda creates so many people who are so confidently wrong about things that are so easy to investigate.
Lol it’s so anti-communist to be anti-tankie. /s
I read it in Das Kapital, by Joseph Stalin. Don’t you liberal anarkiddies read theory?
Depends how successful the experiment is (and probably on what the goal is as well).
If he’d been testing the effects of grass vs grain feed on human fat marbling, I’d imagine the sentence would have been a little more severe
And China executed a shitload of people for political dissent…
And in what context medical experiments should be allowed on babies ?
A lot of contexts? Like the development depending on formula vs mother’s milk? Experimenting doesn’t need to mean vivisection or injecting unregulated drugs, but if you need to do the experiments illegally, I’m not sure it was something “safe”
Yet we still have default circumcisions in the US, no?
Not babies, embyros
Dang, you can really just pull shit straight out of your ass and people will believe it.
Yes, .ml users do indeed tend to be more concerned with fact-checking and saying things that are actually true as compared to flat.world, thank you for pointing that out.
Asking out of curiosity what does that “ml” mean?
Supposed to mean
“machine-learning”Mali, but the developers of Lemmy (whose instance it is) are using it to mean “Marxism-Leninism”, which is a misnomer invented by Stalin. While ml has some non-tankie leftists, that instance is infamous because of them.No, it officially stands for Mali. Why do you think it stands for machine leaning?
Great question! The truth is that the CCP and Russian Federation are basically spiritual successors of Marx himself. Here’s a list of bullet points explaining…
Thats why China made a Marxism anime
It’s actually the TLD for Mali, not explicitly related to machine learning, or leftism. That’s mainly what it’s used for though, outside of Mali.
Marxism leninism, it’s a political ideology, subset of communism. Basically the communists that love USSR, China, Cuba, etc. They love running propaganda about how these authoritarian governments did nothing wrong and how all criticism of them is just negative propaganda by the West.
Always funny how the right winger .wolders love to say shit about us, but are too scared to face the reality since they just defederated from us.
Thank you kind stranger. Now I get the .ml hate