PopOS is a sure way of getting into ten times more problems than Ubuntu.

Seriously, I know them all. Started with NetBSD in 1991, used pretty much everything.

If your system isn’t super weird then Ubuntu is the most relaxed experience you will ever have as a newby.

(And yes, I am not using Ubuntu currently. But then, I hat 35 years of POSIX/Unix/Linux experience)

I am an old timer. I started with BSD before there was even a Linux. NetBSD on an Amiga 3000 before the AT&T law suite against NetBSD, then heared about Linux which was twice as clean as NetBSD and without legal issues - Later NetBSD removed all legal issues nonetheless.

First Linux was a Watch-Tower Distribution, basically a big RAM-Disk with a rudimentary Linux system which you copied to HD. No package manager, nothing. tar, make was the way to do installations. Shortly after Slackware and SuSE which basically was the same back then. Then a lot of SuSE then Debian, then Ubuntu. Don’t care much about the distribution nowadays as long as it is DEB-based.

But now something to scare all of you: Today my most used POSIX environment is… Cygwin. Well, I got a Windows-Notebook for development and a VM is really clunky in comparison to a fully integrated POSIX-layer like Cygwin. For developing Stuff it actually matters very little if you use BSD, Linux, Cygwin or even Solaris.

Enter German and Gendering: You can not say Programmer to address all Programmers in the room. You have to call them Programmerin und Programmer or Programmer:in or Programmende. And yes, most of these words aren’t even German but if you don’t use them you are a Grammar Nazi.

And btw, the fact that we address females with “die” does not mean we want them dead, thank you and have a good day.

No, Pacificm is not always Extremist.

The Green party of Germany is Pacifist.

But they also have been the loudest about rearming the German Bundeswehr in face of Russian Aggression since 2008. I cite their defence speaker from 2010: “Peace is worth fighting for”.

Actually Mao claimed his great leap forward was “Anti-Racism” (and also Anti-Classism and whatever) because he forcefully removed all differences by murdering pretty much any one standing out. Pol Pot never claimed that but technically speaking he was doing the same: Forcefully removing everything making people different. Yes, there is “Extremist Anti-Racism”.

Being different is as much a basic right as being treated equally.

An interesting excursus: The Woke movement labelled it “racist” when Non-Rasta-People wore Rasta curls. I on the other hand call it racist to deny people the right to freely chose or reject traditions based on their origin. Because one side is Extremist and the other is liberal. Now tell me where the truth lies.

There is a Bavarian Pro-Verb: Cats enjoy mice, but not me. Again, tell me where the truth lies.

Ah, here is something interesting:

The liberal Reichsbanner Movement is going to celebrate 100 years of Resistance to Extremism. They do not differentiate between left and right Extremism. Never did. And their members number in the Millions. That is how you really fight Extremism.

the left taking peoples property for no reason and fighting people for not being left

Great Purge

Cultural Revolution

Killing Fields

“Socialism does not mean the equal distribution of wealth between the wealthy and the poor, this would be too inflexible. Rather, socialism is a means of increasing productivity.” - Saddam Hussein, Leader of the Arab socialist Movement: in: ath-thawra

Best Definition of “Fascism” I have ever heared. From an Extremist Socialist trying to redefine Socialism.

You may argue “how Extremist” Fa, Anti-Fa and Anti-Anti-Fa are. But you can not argue that they are all Extremists.

Now answer me with your usual emotional one-liners. Add some foot stomping. I do not expect anything more from you.

Learn to quote. I wrote “Extremists”. You claim I wrote “Leftists”. You need to learn that the Extreme Wings are much further away from the middle than the left and right middle to each other.

Also, I see you are doing the 101 of populism:

1. make up an enemy
2. secondly, lying pays off
3. become more and more radical

Oh, and by the way, I am living in Germany. You fucking have you idea what you are talking about if you are talking about left and right politics, extremists and middle. Honestly, you sound like someone with an extreme case of borderline syndrome who only know “THEM” vs “US”, only knows Extreme Counterpositions.

But that is not how the world works. Even our local conservative parties are much more leftist than eg the US Democrats and that is a good thing. I vote mostly Green and Social Democrats. But I HATE the Extremists, the Maoists, Stalinists, the Alternative Truthers, the national party, the skin heads (there are left and right skinheads in Germany so… pick your poison). And I see the Extremists changing without a second thought from Left Extremism to Right Extremism. Hell, I have even seen Left Extremists convert to Islam Extremism so they have Gods blessing in hating others. You can not make up how stupid Extremists are.

Feel free to quote and analyse any mistakes I made in detail.

And if you can’t: Then you are lying.

Whenever a Left-Extremist does something stupid his buddies just claim “Well, he wasn’t Left anyway. Lets just pretend he was a Nazi instead, haha.”

Brilliant. But easy to see through.

The Right-Extremist takes peoples property and life because they are the wrong race. The Left-Extremists takes peples property without reason and life because we wasn’t left enough.

Stalin and Pol Pot and Saddam used mostly the same methods as Hitler and as Pinochet and just like the Taliban.

They wanted total power to reform the society to their day dreams. There is not much difference if you call your Economy Plan “Five Year Plan” or “Maximale Kriegswirtschaft”. In the end everyone gets under the foot of the Big Brother, the Grosser Führer, вождь woschd (Yes, Stalin let himself call Führer as did several other Extremist leaders).

We need to learn that the Extremists are much further away from the middle than the parties of the middle to each other. But also the Extremists are much closer to themselves.

Even Trump and Putin show a lot of those methods and while Trump dreams of US Fascism and Putin dreams of Reviving Stalinism their Objectives are just the same: Total power for themselfes.

Oh, I hear you already screaming “But they weren’t Socialists/Fascists” - well, they were part of the Socialist International, they called themselves Socialists and people travelled there to see Socialism. “If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.”

The Way less extreme people defend themselves from the more extreme people is just “But they weren’t true right/left wing. They were something else!” - Boy, I am so tired of it. If 99% if your ventures into Extremism always end the same then I see a pattern that the results will ALWAYS be the same.

And seeing how easily East Germans nowadays change from Ultra-Left to Ultra-Right and visa versa I say: Proof by Observation in the Wild.

I am not even talking about the US where 90% of the people simply don’t even understand what left, right, middle, liberal and Extremism means. When giving a kid free health care is socialism and people think free voting is disrespectable liberalism.

Well, I can tell you, in Europe Extremist Voters switch without thinking twice between far left and far right.

Methods, Objectives and Goals are the same, just the arguments differ slightly.

Both hate the West, especially the US and Israel, both hate the way we live but without offering a better way. Both want to burn down the house just to see who survives. Only the Arguments differ, the left hate the people running their own society, the right hate the people running other society.

And always remember, Hitler was a National-SOCIALIST.

The difference between the extreme wings is miniscule. Methods, Objectives and Goals are the same, just the arguments differ slightly.

In Germany half of the voters of the Ultra-Left Party “Linkspartei” went within one election to the Ultra-Right Party “Alternative für Deutschland”. Even starnger, the AfD is financed by Putin who wants to recreate Stalinism, which is Ultra-Leftist, while the AfD wants to recreate a Führer-Cult which is Ultra-Right. And still both cooperate perfectly.

But don’t think the US is better. While Linkspartei and AfD together are 15% in the US the equally Extremist-Trumpists are close to 50%.

People need to understand that the Extremists on the wings are closer to each other than to the middle. While the middle tries to better things in small steps the Extremists want to burn the house down with everyone inside and then see who survives.

fvwm95 is nice though…

But for me my secret forbidden love is still AmiFVWM, an FVWM clone with the look of AmigaOS 3.1.

#You are perfectly right.

All major distributions offer all major Environments. I currently use either Debian or Ubuntu and usually install by booting the Netinstall.iso right from the official Servers which installs just the base system without any GUI at all. Then I use tasksel to select the environment. Ok, not every Environment is part of Tasksel but often it is just adding another Repository and running another apt install operation.

And yes, on my experimental computer I often install a dozen environments just because I can. Selectable at Login-Screen.

But now somethings VERY important from someone with 35 years of POSIX experience:

If you are a newby FOR GODS SAKE USE UBUNTU.

And if you are a pro… Ubuntu still is a very good option. Only if your have VERY GOOD REASONS which you COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND, only then use something else. Which is Debian for me.

I beat that. When I first installed a BSD in 1988 - I was 16 and stupid - I thought I would copy files like on Amiga or MSDOS by “copy filename c:” and did cp filename /dev/sda.

You only do that ONCE.

I have used Linux since 1993 (Slackware, Suse and Debian) and Ubuntu since 2006. I consider switching back to Debian because I hate snap and other containers for Of-the-Line Software and while I can uninstall snap and install a De-Snapped Firefox directly from Mozilla I hate doing this Extra-Work.

Dudes, even the “newer faster” Firefox-Snap is still taking three times as long to start and uses twice as much memory and on my work computer, a Core2 Q9550 with 8GByte of memory, this is VERY noticable. Yes, the system is old but for work more than enough. My i7 is only for games and I don’t mix work and fun.

Oh, and then there is that old neighbour who is using a Pentium4 3Ghz 3GByte RAM, which is 32Bit only. He is like 80 years old and doesn’t want to buy a new computer and his old rig does everything he wants. Ubuntu simply doesn’t support it anymore. Supporting old computers is something Linux does outstanding (Windows 11 dropping two year old systems is fucking sick)

Don’t try to derail the discussion. Toothbrush argued that the Holdomor never happened while the whole world knows somewhere between three and five million Ukrainians died during this part of Stalins reign. We never even discussed if it was a genocide.

So show your true intentions and explain to me:

1. Did Millions die during the Holdomor?
2. Did it happen because Stalin stole the food?
3. Did Stalin and Putin forbid to talk about it?

And as a nice excursus, the total numbers of people dying to Stalins misrule is nearly the same as those who died to the Axis Invasion. A nice chap, old Stalin, isn’t he? But calm down, he is only number two after Mao in murdering his own people. And that is what Putin is aiming for, recreation of Stalinism.

-Holodomor after the Soviet archives opened: The Holodomor was a man-made famine that occurred in Soviet Ukraine in 1932-1933. While the Soviet government initially denied the existence of the famine, evidence of the Holodomor has emerged from various sources, including Soviet archives. The opening of these archives has allowed researchers to further study and document the tragedy. You are basically claiming the Soviets and Putin themselves are lying. And you know what happens to people who say Putin lies.

-Debunking of the Holodomor: The Holodomor has been widely recognized as a tragic event in which millions of Ukrainians died due to forced collectivization and deliberate policies by the Soviet government. While there have been attempts to downplay or deny the extent of the famine in the past, the overwhelming consensus among scholars and researchers is that the Holodomor was a real and devastating event.

-Ukrainian collaboration with the Holocaust: It is true that there were instances of collaboration by some individuals and groups in Ukraine during World War II. However, it is important to note that these collaborations were not representative of the entire Ukrainian population. Many Ukrainians were victims of the Holocaust themselves, and others actively resisted the Nazi regime.

-William Randolph Hearst and Nazi collaboration: There have been allegations and claims suggesting that William Randolph Hearst collaborated with the Nazis. While Hearst’s media empire did have a complicated relationship with Nazi Germany, it is important to approach such claims with critical analysis and rely on credible historical sources to understand the nuances and facts surrounding this topic. Basically your argument is “because a Nazi sympathisant wrote the Soviets were blood drinking madmen they were actually nice guys”.

It’s important to approach historical topics with an open mind and rely on reputable sources, including academic research and scholarly consensus. While historians may have different interpretations and perspectives, the field of history relies on evidence-based analysis and rigorous research methodologies to uncover the truth to the best of our knowledge.

Sources Holodomor after the Soviet archives opened: “Red Famine: Stalin’s War on Ukraine” by Anne Applebaum “The Holodomor Reader: A Sourcebook on the Famine of 1932-1933 in Ukraine” edited by Bohdan Klid and Alexander J. Motyl “The Holodomor: An Introduction” by Bohdan Klid and Alexander J. Motyl “The Holodomor and the Film ‘Bitter Harvest’: Soviet and Post-Soviet Memory in Ukraine” by Serhy Yekelchyk “The Ukrainian Famine: Sources of Information at the Hoover Institution” by Robert Conquest

ChatGPT is awaiting your next hate speech eagerly.

Ah, the beauty of repeating the same stupid claim to make it appear more true.

While I appreciate your enthusiasm for alternative viewpoints, it’s worth noting that mainstream academic consensus is typically based on extensive research, rigorous analysis, and a wealth of evidence. If you’re inclined to embrace Nazi propaganda as a historical truth, you might find yourself in the rather exclusive company of conspiracy theorists. But hey, who needs consensus when you can have a party of one?

Well, I must say, your unique perspective certainly adds a touch of humor to the conversation! Your ability to find amusement in the unlikeliest of places is truly admirable. Keep those witty remarks coming, and you might just give the comedians a run for their money!