Point taken. Saves me some clicking!

Great talk on SystemD for those that are interested: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=o_AIw9bGogo&pp=2AHFBpACAQ%3D%3D

1. no. Processes have a life cycle other than init. Fire and forget with bash scripts is backwards.

2. I am no expert on this and could not do this answer justice. A quick search will provide a better and more detailed answer. That is if you are willing to consider that SystemD provides benefits. The way you wrote your question gives me vibes that you do not want to, so this debate would be fruitless.

If you’re genuinely curious Benno Rice has a great talk on SystemD: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=o_AIw9bGogo&pp=2AHFBpACAQ%3D%3D

There is Alpine and Void Linux which are commonly known of and used. Plus more: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Linux_distributions_without_systemd

Most distros independently decided that SystemD was superior. They had a choice and they chose. Distros are often maintained by volunteers in their free time. Same with software that depends on it. Expecting them to provide poor irrelevant choices is not how open source works. You’re passing on your backbreaking work onto other people. If you want another option, you give your time to make it happen.

SystemD is not an init system. It provides that functionality, but processes have more life cycle steps than just initialize.

When you accept that, you realise that you cannot compare them.

SystemD provides functionality that they don’t. Of course those that refuse to consider this will just claim it’s bloat. To some DE’s are bloat.

You must be one of the few that do not believe they should diversify. Most Mozilla haters criticise the fact they are dependent on Google money and therefore not independent. I did not say it was the right thing. I said I do not believe it is, but iI could be wrong. Not sure if you aware about humility.

It is not cognitive dissidence to believe positive and negative things about a company or thing. It’s call a balanced decision. It requires nuance, a key component in adult decision making. Usually children struggle with that as something is all great or all bad. Black and white thinking isn’t really fit for the adult world.

You are surprised that you are supposed to back up your opinions and bring references to a discussion. This is the first time I have heard of this Steve guy. If you think it’s common knowledge, you’ve probably been stuck too deep in the Mozilla haters echo chamber.

They do not propose them for the internet, simply opting out of hosting Mastodon. A glorified look at me RSS feed with built in validation (likes). They’re not even suggesting they’ll move away from posting on it. You probably guessed I never really liked xitter so the alternative is quite meaningless to me. I just want a browser not run by Google.

I do not believe in GenAI and do believe it’ll fail. I do not believe I’m guaranteed to be right. Folk seem to like confidently incorrect answers and are hooked on them. Mozilla need to diversify their revenue streams and maybe they get it right. If users expect that integration, and rivals do it, then they will perceive it as rubbish and not use it or move to it, which could be a failure.

I do not know this Steve chap, but I do know devs are asked to work on stuff and if they refuse, they’re not doing their job. In that case, you do it, or leave. He got fired and ultimately if he wasn’t running it, they even find someone else (was there anyone willing?) or can it. It got canned. No dev really chooses their workload, just how they go about it.

It’s less suspicious than you want it to be.

So how does not running a virtual soapbox that is niche and most do not care about affect the public’s ability to participate in the internet from where they are?

I’m not sure if you didn’t understand the point or are cherry picking words to satiate your feelings?

Closing down an instance you chose to run is malicious? If you cannot fully moderate it, it can take your reputation. The labour cost isn’t insignificant and is not something they should be focussing on.

I read it, just had nothing to add.

For the record, I disagree with the AI funding, CEO pay and pocket stuff. It doesn’t make me hate them though. They build the biggest open source alternative to Google dictating standards for web. That’s massive. I strongly dislike google for a multitude of reasons and hating a company that challenges that is a strange position to take. If Firefox goes, we’re mega fucked.

Maybe place your anger with the actual bad actors in the browser space.

Separate issue entirely. I’m talking specifically about Fediverse investment and why that was the final straw.

I thought the discussion was about that and not a “I hate Mozilla” greatest hits.

You can always throw in that Google fund them and a 10 year old bug that hasn’t been resolved if that was your purpose.

I guess ranting can help you feel better, so I hope it helped.

No. It’s trying something. If company’s get punished for investing and trying something, others won’t even try in future. I respect they tried. If I was in charge, I wouldn’t have bothered.

Why does it matter that they don’t run an instance? Most open source projects do not.

As long as they keep an account on an instance and keep it up to date, this is the main thing.

Hate is a strong emotional decision for a company making an internet browser…

Does it matter that they don’t run an instance?

As long as they have accounts and keep them up to date, that is the main thing.

How many open source projects actually run and moderate instances?

Eh?

It does take space on the hard drive. Can easily remove desktop shortcuts. Telemetry on open source software doesn’t usually happen without consent and you can turn it off (Firefox for example).

This is more of a feeling type thing. If it makes you feel good though, go ahead.

Non-running software doesn’t affect performance as it isn’t anywhere near your RAM or CPU. What often people perceive of bloat is frequently software dependencies that are likely to be used over the course of the OS’s usage.

Often I have found bloat free setups end up taking hours of digging out dependencies on multiple occasions. Life is too short. I have things to build.

Chromium can fuck off. FF is king.

Rolling distro, up to date kernel, very good KDE support, stable?

OpenSuse Tumbleweed has got you covered.

Though this weird bloat fetish usually leads to Arch…

Are the problem with the people who watch the video, or the people who create, or host the videos?