I want Lemmy to succeed, I want to be optimistic about it as an alternative to Reddit, but OP is correct, and we need to be honest about this very simple fact:

The Reddit we knew and loved is gone, and that’s a sad, tragic thing, and there likely won’t be a 1:1 replacement for a long time, if ever.

It’s okay to admit to ourselves that this whole situation sucks, because it absolutely does. That doesn’t mean that we can’t enjoy Lemmy and other federated things like it, and it doesn’t mean that federation doesn’t have advantages over Reddit, but let’s be honest: most of us were happy at Reddit, using our favorite 3rd party app (like Apollo), and we wouldn’t be here if the admins weren’t happy to kill what we once loved.

All we can do is try to make the best of it.

Sure, I’ll give it a go, thank you for thinking of me. The whole bullshit with Twitter and now Reddit has me feeling pretty burned on corporate-owned social media, so I’m likely to stick with federated things like Masto, Lemmy, etc., but I’ll give it a go. I am curious about it. I wonder why they’re leaning so hard on the waitlist thing? They’re losing precious adoption time, as people are right now wanting to move away from Twitter. Or rather, they have been wanting that for months, so there may already be a lot of lost opportunity re: user attention or interest.

Hey, I co-founded Rocky! I’m always chuffed to see people using and enjoying it.

+1 for macOS!

I’m totally on board with pirating content in those situations. I recognize it isn’t a black-or-white issue.

Why should you get to enjoy something you haven’t paid for, especially while others have?

I couldn’t say, they’re closed to new users. I’ve been on the wait list for a long time, but no joy.

I’m skeptical that it ultimately won’t just turn into Twitter 2.0

What’s also interesting to observe is that the vast majority of the comments here have been respectful, considerate, helpful, and constructive. Maybe I got too used to the massive user base of children that Reddit had, and no hate for the younger crowd, but I did miss the maturity that early days Reddit had and subsequently lost.

I know this opinion is wildly unpopular, but I think pirating is unethical. If you can’t afford something, or you disagree with spending money for it, then fine. Don’t watch that show/listen to that song/play that game. But the people who make things deserve to get paid. It’s not right to refuse to pay for something while also consuming that content. Many of the justifications for pirating just feel like entitlement to me.

If you’re a systems/network engineer or a dev, the CLI is your home.

It wont replace it of course, it will just be another UI standard.

That’s the great thing about standards, there’s just so many of them!

I like that Lemmy and Masto don’t have those fucking algorithms. It’s a relief.

Going out especially is insane. I’m not terribly far off from Hartford, CT, and no matter where we go, if my wife and I go out just for two drinks total, one for each of us, we’re not walking out of there without spending less than $25 or even $30. That’s just fucking wild to me. If we want to have dinner–two mains, one shared app, one drink each–we’re looking at at least $100 to $120, and that’s just to any random place, not a high-end eatery or anything. And every single place will hand you a little Square thing or whatever with tip suggestions that start at 18% and go up to 25%.

It’s not just tech companies like Reddit and Twitter, it seems like it’s most companies. Ever since the COVID lockdowns prices have been going through the roof, you get less for what you pay for, they’re laying off workers, and all while raking in record profits while also crying about how no one wants to work and how they can’t afford anything because of the economy. I’ve never been more cynical about companies than I have been the last year.

It’s the enshittification of Reddit, as described by Cory Doctorow

There’s a horror community here that we’re trying to revive, come check it out: https://lemmy.ml/c/horror

Yes, I understand all of that. I know that it helps all the various instance owners. But that’s a problem that has already been solved. Building for scale is not specific or special to Lemmy. There are already entire automation toolsets—things like K8s or Docker Swarm, Terraform and Ansible, and endless documentation and examples on how to use and implement all of this. You’re talking about the greater whole, and what I’m trying to talk about is Lemmy.ml.

I do agree we’re probably talking past each other, though, and that’s alright, that’s how it goes on the Internet sometimes.

I’m referring specifically to Lemmy.ml, which is what the admins (of that instance) have been discussing and posting links to GitHub issues for. You can’t just take ‘everyone’s’ instance and spread it out into one giant working install of Lemmy. Every single instance that wants to handle scale is going to have to be built, managed, and maintained for it. If Lemmy.ml isn’t built to handle scale, then it’s going to go down when traffic spikes. They’re already having problems with their SQL database and traffic levels are basically nothing. You’ll end up with a bunch of users attempting to access any of the communities on Lemmy.ml and being unable to. They will need to go to a different Lemmy instance, which will have all of the same issues that Lemmy.ml will have regarding traffic load, and interact with threads there. The good thing about federation is that they’ll be able to keep using Lemmy on other instances, even if they don’t have access to Lemmy.ml specifically.

I promise I understand what I’m talking about, building for scale on a global level is what I do for a living. I also know something about open source projects, having co-founded Rocky Linux and the Rocky Enterprise Software Foundation and serving as its Director of Operations.

That’s not how this works. Lemmy itself may be open source, but the instance it runs on is not. All the work in work in the world on the Lemmy codebase won’t mean anything if its actual deployment is not built for scale, and that’s not anything anyone but the admins can do anything about.

I want Lemmy to succeed, but I’m highly skeptical of the ability of the instance operators to be able to do so. There’s a great deal of technical sophistication that is required to support a large number of users, and from what I’ve seen, they don’t have it. This isn’t a slight against them in any way, but they freely admit that they lack SQL expertise, and I think I’ve seen some significant gaps in their knowledge on how to horizontally scale. This instance, for example, is all hosted on a single virtual server. There are no load balancers, no database sharding, no fanning out of services onto different servers…security is as well also likely in a shoddy state.

Again, no hate from me, nothing but praise so far. But there are some significant technological gaps here, and I worry their team isn’t large or technically deep enough to fill them. What’s in place at the moment is just waiting to tip over when any amount of traffic starts coming over. For what it’s worth, I have offered my expertise to the admins around networking, security, scale, and automation.