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Agreed, but maybe spell out “Pick up artists” for the people who wouldn’t know the acronym.
In mandarin, pua means ‘granny.’
Damn granny, Always has the worst dating advice!
Yeah I thought it meant “potentially unwanted apps.”
Agreed, but I thought the text was already too small, but I will try to improve my upcoming memes :D
Imagine if guys figured out that having g decent hygiene is like 70% of it. Women like a good smelling fellow. The other 50% is just being interesting and not all murdery.
Just in case, someone that smells like deodorant from 50 meters away is not considered a good smelling fellow.
Are you telling me that Axe bodyspray isn’t actually an uncontrollable aphrodisiac to all women within 50 meters?
Weirdly the right amount of axe is probably attractive to most women within 50 meters, you just need to be about 1 meter away at the time.
Nah. Just keep it to a minimum. Or better yet, use something more mature/standard and don’t smell like a teenager mid-puberty all day.
Just use aqua de gio or Jimmy choo
Your maths are kinda off by a bit though
Shhhh, he smells good. He doesn’t need to be good at math ok?
Thank you. You can have another 20%.
Do I even want to mnow what a PUA is?
Self described Pickup Artists.
Ohhh man that’s some serious cancer
I believe the most common issue people face today is simply not getting to know enough people in order to find a partner.
Yeah cuz meeting people and getting to know them sucks on ice. I have no idea how you’re supposed to do it without like going to school and being forced to be around the same people all day until you figure out which ones you hate the least as a matter of survival.
The hell is a PUA ?
Pick up artist
Thank you, only came to comments to figure out what that hell that meant
Lmao people thinks that works? Maybe but never for long term lol
I had a coworker who loved to tell us about how he get married after taking a pickup artist class.
He’d sleep in his car in the office parking lot so he wouldn’t have to deal with his kids in the mornings.
Ok, so half of the pick up artists I followed in my late teens were genuine sociopaths, but the great ones were just teaching deep introverted and confused guys how to socialize with people in general.
To be honest I doubt I would be married or have such healthy friendships if I hadn’t learned some of those skills that most people seem to pick up naturally in high school.
Laughs in minding my own business but being alone because I don’t initiate
My main problem is meeting new people
Have you tried finding a hobby that involves interacting with people?
Currently my main hobby is chilling with people. I also meet lots of new people, but the problem is that they’re
- Mostly male
- Wayy too young or wayyy too old
Well, if what you’re doing isn’t working you should try something else. Try something more active than just chilling, and engage in a less male dominated community. You could volunteer your time somewhere, or join a club or team.
Your hobbies don’t even need to be mainstream, if you’re more of the nerdy persuasion there are plenty of women in the RPG and LARP scenes for example.
God no, that sounds awful. Unrelated, DAE wonder why they’re alone?
Probably
Man I’d hate being a young man today.
Guys are put in a position where they have to put themselves out there and face rejection. it’s obviously becoming harder to connect with women given that a larger and larger percentage of men under 21 report being virgins every year.
Then as a result of being in this sad but common position you get told that it’s all your fault and you’re a shitty person.
I think I would have just ended up killing myself if I was a teenager today.
Feel like a higher rate of virgins could be a good sign that people aren’t feeling pressured to do things they don’t want to.
Virginity among women hasn’t climbed in nearly the same way, most men 21 and under also report having never been in a relationship, young men’s mental health has declined more than any other demographic, and incel culture seems to be on the rise.
I realllly don’t think this is a good thing.
Women were under the opposite pressure: to stay a virgin. Also, some people don’t want to be in relationships. In middle/high school, a lot of dating was obviously performative and they were only “dating” because of social pressures to do so. I’m no longer a teen, so I have no clue what the pressures are now. It could be the pressures are still there and more people are failing to meet them (hence, the incel community). I know they’re not completely gone, because I still sometimes hear about things like people dating because they want to have someone for prom or whatever.
Given how complex mental health is, trying to tie it to just one thing that correlates with it is not very convincing. Likewise, even if incel culture is on the rise, it seems much more reasonable to connect that to the growth of the internet and the niche communities it allows to fester and become visible.
Why is it when anyone tries to acknowledge any sort of issues men have some asshole tries to dismiss them?
A big part of this is moving everything online, it makes the available pool too wide and doesn’t allow for things to be forgotten as easily. Meeting people in person allows the awkward stuff to be forgotten and the highlights remembered. It can still go terribly wrong, but there was more meaningful interaction.
Yeah the world is super fucked up. I met almost all my previous hook ups (along with my GF) in real life.
Also according to my single friends it got infinitely worse during covid. Although I’m in my late twenties and almost everyone over thirty says it’s not super hard or anything. I don’t know if that’s a generational difference or old stereotypes are actually true.
I’m just glad that I grew up in a different era.
if i killed myself it isnt cause im not banging people rofl
Then as a result of being in this sad but common position you get told that it’s all your fault and you’re a shitty person.
My point was that the pickup artists who claim that they are helping or empowering young men are in fact not helping them to get a healthy attitude towards the other sex or enabling them to be in healthy relationships. Instead (most of) the tips of the pickup artists are in contra productive and will make you sad, angry and alone. I don’t think it’s in their interest that you get healthy relationships, because that would mean that they would loose a client.
And I also do not think it’s a good idea to suggest suicide to troubled teenagers.
I’m not suggesting suicide, I’m saying I would personally have not been able to manage as a boy in today’s world because of how fucked up this is.
The way I read it was that anyone who has trouble with women is doing something stupid like this. A lot of normal guys just don’t have a real chance these days.
Women had to adjust to be expected to work and do housework, still make less money per hour of labor, still represent the minority of ceos/leaders/comfy asshole billionaires, way more likely to be the ones in danger physically when picking a partner incorrectly, but go on guys about how life is so hard for you. Sounds like most of you are considerably less able to adapt than the women around you.
Seriously, I hate this shit. There are real issues men face and it’s always the same story.
“These issues don’t exist”
“Yeah these issues exist but women have it worse so they don’t matter. Also you’re a sexist POS”.
“LMAO men are suffering. Sucks to suck”
here’s why I honestly think it keeps going this way:
men keep seeking symapthy for this in public, from mixed gender groups including women.
women have no reason to be sympathetic to men in this case, as they have already had it shitty and these same men didn’t care when it wasn’t their problem
some of these same men seeking sympathy are actively blaming women and saying that the fix to their problems is to go back to the 1950s, when women were routinely lobotomized for men’s convenience (the guys pitching 1950s USA always leave that bit out).
I mean…
Writing off an entire gender because of the actions of some is absolutely insane. Men represent 50 percent of the population. In any other context that would be considered bigoted without a second thought.
Likewise, the idea that it’s the same men is straight up fiction. A teenager today was born in the 2000s. They have literally nothing to do with historical sexism.
Finally the “I had to suffer so it’s your turn” is beyond shitty. All that mentality is going to do is breed resentment. I’m pretty sure it already is, and alt righters are leveraging this shit to radicalize a small but increasing amount of young men.
I had issues growing up. Some of that was related to women, but a lot of that was related to social isolation in general. When I say I’d probably kill myself in growing up as a boy in today’s world, I’m not joking.
‘no sympathy from me this time, get it from other men’ does not equal ‘writing off an entire gender’.
I get that you guys think you should have instant sympathy from me for some reason because some of you are feeling slightly suicidal. Let me illustrate for you in living color why this woman is having trouble having sympathy:
- when I was a teen, I attempted suicide twice
- because I was dealing with a pedophile father
- after moving out and getting on my feet, I was sexually assaulted by the CEO of the startup I worked, had to leave and start over again
This illustrates a scientific truth that we have less sympathy for people facing things that we’ve overcome ourselves, especially if we feel we’ve overcome a ‘harder’ version. Imagine how hard I laugh (or how much I want to smash something) when a guy says “women have it too easy now”.
young men don’t need to be told that ‘women are writing them off’ because we aren’t rushing to comfort them (at cost to ourselves). They need to fucking adapt without women’s help, and they need to understand that women not having time to help them or be sympathetic to them anymore is a side-effect of women being fucked by the system too, not because of women ‘having too much freedom’.
At no point did anyone in this thread ask for you to comfort men.
I made a comment saying young men had it hard. You took it upon yourself to dismiss their struggle. Then you took it upon yourself to say their struggle doesn’t matter because women have it worse and anyone who brings it up is a sexist. then you took it upon yourself to blame young men today for sexism in society that existed before you were born.
I’m asking for basic empathy towards your fellow human being. I’m wasn’t even asking for you specially to have empathy, just society in general.
I am truly sorry for what you experience. However, misfortune isn’t a competition. Just because women have it worse doesn’t mean it’s okay for men to have their own problems.
This whole comment thread is taking place in the context of a guy who is responding to a meme about creepy pua teachings (you know, the thing that causes all the abuse I suffered) with ‘whaa men have it so hard’, an I’m being called unempathetic and accused of whataboutism. Thick irony fellas.
You’re proving his point ffs
And you’re proving mine. Men whine about shit that women have had to shut up and deal with for centuries.
So if it’s not an issue for men it shouldn’t be for women either, so why are you now complaining about having to deal with the issues you don’t think are a big deal?
Still doesn’t mean it’s not an issue, not talkign about problems doesn’t mean they don’t exist. When you shut up about issues they won’t improve
yeah I think the sad part to me is that it seems the majorty of the men aren’t realizing that the issue is the rich guy drank their milkshake. I’m extra angry in this comment chain, because I’m simultaneously being told in another comment that the reason men are slipping is that ‘women have too many resources’.
Men have a choice. Join with women and fight the rich, or blame women and let’s go to war.
Yes BUT…there is a difference between platonic socialization and flirting/courtship. Some people can flirt naturally. Some people have to learn it. Some people can’t turn it off. Which is why blanket advice for how to treat other people isn’t particularly helpful.
So yes, most PUAs are creepy and gross. But also, for those who don’t understand flirting innately, it’s not like there are a ton of obvious reputable resources available on how to do it. And some PUAs do explain some of the key bits of psychology behind flirting. Things like tension and release, light teasing, managing eye contact, reading body language, escalating physical touch…things that you should be approaching differently if you’re trying to flirt with someone vs being friendly. Things that people expect you to do if you’re interested in them, that aren’t inherently obvious.
And I say this as an ASD guy who confused a LOT of girls in high school by not courting them like I was “supposed” to, then started doing real research in my 20s into things like body language, flirting styles, love languages, attachment styles, etc, and coming to a lot of epiphanies about how stupid I had been, and am now in my 30s reasonably successful at dating.
For those curious on some actual resources, The Definitive Book of Body Language and The Five Flirting Styles are good places to start on learning the differences between platonic and romantic socialization!___
